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"losing it, america's fat obsession." good evening. you may not like counting calories but the numbers are tough to swallow. 17 million adults and 12.5 million children in america are oppose. that's trending chl -- president clinton worked with looking to stay fit for a possible white house run in 2016. what should the rest of us do? tonight we're here to talk with doctors, experts and working with new mom kim kardashian. let's start with food. with me now is celebrity chef and rocker and author of "now

eat this italian." welcome. [ applause ] >> let's cut to the chase. we put you to the test because i thought this go rocco, he's a good looking guy and cooks italian food. i'll put him to the real test, how to make me eat low calorie food and enjoy it. you sent to my apartment in new york, all this stuff. >> one day's worth of food. >> this is weird, popcorn, caramel, chocolate. >> looks like the worst food you can eat. >> looks like stuff that would pile on the pounds. let's go through the total here. what was the total? >> let's see if the audience can guess how much. >> how many? >> 500. >> come on. >> andre, how many? >> 2,500 is closer. >> 2950. >> that's an amazing thing.

>> this -- i'm not saying it because i've never met you before, i've been on some of these things before and you get sent the food by the diet companies. >> diet delivery service. >> it tastes horrible. >> it tastes like diet food and that's why nobody wants to be on a diet. america has talent and we're the number one obese country in the world and static ticks, 67% of america is over weight, half of them are obese. one in four children will be obese. more americans die of obesity related deaths than anything else. we spend more money on the health care system than the entire gdp of france. >> amazing. >> and getting nowhere. >> getting nowhere. >> let's go through the food you sent me. i was fascinated by the quality of the food to taste. i really enjoyed all of it and ate all of this. let's go through it and do --

what you would presume the calorie count to be what it was. >> this is a high-protein chocolate smooth. 30 grams of protein, the right amount. would normally be 500, it's 19. >> omelet. >> you like ham, you like cheese, i made you a ham and cheese omelet made with egg whites, 85 calories. >> amazing. >> 85 calories. >> and properly tasty. >> i made you a salad which has walnuts and cheese and vinegar and that's normally 840, now only 237. and then i gave -- spaghetti. >> that's my favorite and normally you consume a lot of calories. >> normally the pasta is made with flour that's 300 calories itself. this pasty is purr rayed chicken

breast and egg white powdered and water. it's carb free. >> how many calories? >> it would be 710 and it's 190. >> carb free. these numbers don't matter if it doesn't taste good. there is plenty of healthy food that tastes awful. that's the reason nobody wants to eat it let's get to the reality of this, which is that if you have that in a restaurant, you would be looking at a certain price. quite a lot of money for that quality of food. >> that's right. >> what can you prepare all that stuff for at home? >> i'll give you the before and after numbers. if you're going to buy this 6 to $10. we made it for . -- 2.92. this omelet remade for $1.88. if you buy this at a restaurant at least $12 if you go to some east side place $35. we made it for $4.43.

so this myth that is highly annoying to me that healthy is expensive, time to bust the myth. >> rocco, the reason i wanted to get you on is i was fascinated how tasty the food was. that to me was the real decider. had it been quite bland i would say this is why i can't do this. this is why i'll carry on -- >> italian, i get it. i know. i understand. i wouldn't be here right now. >> it was genuinely tasty food and very low calorie and very low cost if you do it at home. how do you persuade america and americans who from my experience as a brit coming here, eat huge portions of everything, cheese has to be on everything, potatoes come with everything even when you don't order it, everything is huge and vast like the country itself. how do you culturally change that kind of thinking and the fast food epidemic and so on to get them to start to cook at home in a way that can produce this kind of result?

>> it's an unbelievably difficult question to answer but we're doing it part of it. the hippies did it in the '60 with sex and food, by the way. they cooked home grown locally made food. >> sex and your food? >> i got healthy because my sex wasn't as good as it should be. i went to the doctor, he's like you're about 40 pounds over weight. >> how old are you? >> 46 years old. >> you're 46. i'm 48. i look like your grand dad so let's start again. i'm two years difference. you're 6'1". >> 6'1". >> i am, too. >> your heaviest? >> 280. >> i'm 218 but too heavy. >> and 28% body fat. >> right, and you had a medical where it said bad close roll -- >> he said rocco, if i do the numbers you're in deep you know what. dreading prescriptions, you need this for high blood pressure, you need this for cholesterol,

you need this other one for high blood pressure and talks about side effects. it shocked the hell out of me. i was 35 years old and being told i'm in danger of heart disease and as he's writing these and handing them to me, out of desperation, i'm like what else can i do? you can try diet or exercise but here you go, no one does that. it was an epiphany, keep those, i'm going to try it. a year later, i did iron man 70.3 in saint decoy and finished. i didn't want to win it but i finished a 70 mile exercise. when i went back to the doctor, he said i don't know what you've done but you made your body inside out like an 18-year-old again. >> you lost how much? >> 40 pounds. so if a chubby chef with a crooked spine and flood feet who could totally get away with it.

it wasn't like girls weren't attracted to me or there was a downside other than the health, i -- if i could do it surrounded by all that food and wine, anyone can do it. i am surrounded by the most delicious food available on the planet everyday of my life and if i can do it, anybody can do it. >> i tasted your stuff and i'm going to do it. that's how much of a conviction i have. >> a pound a day. you can lose up to a pound a day. >> okay. my next guest lost 245 pounds. you probably know how, he only ate subway sandwiches. he's the assault and battery su. you're this guy that ate a lot of subways and lost a lot of way. their business was transformed and they made $8 billion and you made yourself a millionaire. do you still eat them?

>> i do. >> he better. >> exactly. in moderation. i tell you, i kept the weight off for 15 years. i probably average eating it three or four days a week and i travel almost 200 days a year as part of my job with them so i have to be careful on the road. >> what is the question you get asked most by people? >> well, i think they want to know did you really do it? some people are fascinated by that. losing 245 pounds in a year, but then i think the other one i get asked is how do you keep it off? because we know how to lose weight. there is a million ways to lose weight but keeping it off is the hardest part, especially in this country. i still eat subway but learned to eat in moderation. try to get exercise in and there is always excuses. you can have a million excuses but you got to put up and do it. >> i went to my trainer today, a genuine story, he said wow, you're looked pumped and i was thrilled and he said why are you

so happy. i said you said i look pumped. he said no plumped. back home fish and chips and beer. >> we don't annunciate. >> jared, let's look at the first subway ad you made. >> jared believes in an active lifestyle including walking. at the heart of his routine are subway sandwiches. >> hey, jared. >> hey, guys. >> at subway, you can choose from seven sandwiches with six grams of fat or less and they all taste great. food for thought. >> so jared, you've got your old fat pants, haven't you? let's have a look at them. >> i do. these are way more pham mouse. if i can't make an event, i send the paints. >> wow. >> 60 inch waste. these are relaxed fit, though, which is important to have. it's a good reminder for me. people are fascinated to see the pants. when i talk to kids and i speak

to church all ovildren all over countries and the world and when they see the old pair of pants they just can't believe it. >> more information on the jared foundation. check out jared foundation.org. subway brought sandwiches for everybody in the audience including me in their new bags. [ applause ] >> so we'll be handing those out. and as you would expect from rocco to woe all the ladies in the room, he has a low calorie cupcake and he brought a copy of his book "now eat this italian" for everybody in the aud yenien. i feel like this is oprah's big give away. who would intentionally gain 70 pounds in six months? i'll introduce you to the man who did just that and that's next.

i was a big guy, i enjoyed eating and it wasn't until i was confronted with my dad's just passing and he made me promise to lose weight.

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looking back at me. who was i kidding? i didn't look like that anymore. i looked like i've swallowed a sheep. >> well, joe found the answer by drinking fresh fruit and vegetable juice and he said it made all the difference. joe, give me the stats first of all. what were you at your heaviest and what are you now? >> piers, my heaviest i was 320. right now today i got on the scale this morning and i'm 240. >> amazing. how do you do this? >> so, look, i was like a business guy running around the world doing deals, focused on building companies. you know, i kind of say now i was focused on wealth, not health. i got sick when i was 32. i thought it was the world to take pills. i took bills for an auto immune disease and bad hives and swelling and a really

debilitating disease. the wakeup call of a four is a lot closer to a five and i just sort of felt wow, i'm 40 and looking in the mirror here and over over 20 pounds and taking high blood pressure, prediabetic and walking time bomb and i decided to super charge it by drinking fresh fruit and vegetable juice for 60 days and another 90 days eating just plants, i was off all medication and close to 100 pounds lighter and that was six or seven years ago. >> how did you manage to sustain it? people find that difficult. they can do a diet but reality checks in and they get tempted and go back. >> sure. >> how have you managed to stay so disciplined?

>> i didn't look at what i did as a diet. i looked at what i did as a circuit breaker. i feel that we have three choices when it comes to the energy we'll put into our body. we can choose plants, we can choose animal products and the new kid on the block and that's processed food. if you look at the diet of the average typical american and where you come from and where i come from, it's around about 60% of all the energy we get is from processed. about 30% from animal and about 10% from plant food and when you carve out the french fries or chips as you and i like to call them, that's another 3% in french fries. really the average american is getting 7%, 7% of calories from plants. i look at now what i try to do is bump that number up. now i still love my steak like the next guy and enjoy it. i just don't have it like i used to. my diet is 40% of the calories

is plant based and 30% animal and 30% processed. that's kept me on the straight and narrow and medication free for six or seven years. if you can start your day by going back to the hunter gatherer world of getting your plants on board, having juice or a smooth though or a fruit salad for breakfast, having salad for lunch and at nighttime go and do, i had sushi last night. i'm going to go tonight and probably -- i think i'm going steak tonight and my sort of world now is plants during the day and then eat normal at night. >> good to talk to you, joe and quite a story. good to talk to you. i want to bring in drew. he's a personal fitness trainer who gained weight to see what his clients are going through. he's fit to fat to fit. there you are super fit, rock hard muscles, very lean and thought i'm going to put on 70 pounds.

>> yeah. >> why did you want to do that? why did you want to become me? >> i don't know so much you. i felt like i needed a different prospective. i was always fit, never struggled -- >> these are pictures. amazing. >> scary. >> that's you on the left before. that's what you became in the middle. >> yeah, six months. >> and that's what happened after. quite extraordinary. >> six month period. >> a yearlong. >> a yearlong. you did it because you wanted to relate to i guess what your climates were going through, heavier clients and working out and the problems they might have. my issue with my trainers is they are like you, like meat ball machines. >> yeah. >> when they say go and knock out 30 presses, fine for them but for us not so easy. >> that's what i felt like i needed a different perspective. becoming over weight gave me a better understanding. know that i would know exactly but i would have a better -- the train we are a six pack. >> never been over weight? >> never been over weight. >> what were the key take aways?

>> more so on the mental and emotional side. i knew i would get the man bobs and love handles. >> women like those. >> yeah, some do. >> it really did affect my relationship with my wife, me as a dad, my personality. diet affects more than just your weight. it affects you so much more than you think. >> did people treat you differently. when you walk around you look good? did you find that wasn't happening? >> i think some people looked at me differently. i could see the stairs at the grocery store loading my cart up with soda and cereal. >> you loved it, right? >> no one was mean but i felt people were staring at me more. that was the hard part to deal with is self-esteem being out in public or getting out in the shower and covering up in front of my wife. that's how it affected me. >> great story, fit to fat to

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the health in the united states is staggering, $150 billion and could skyrocket to $300 billion. it is self-control, food comp y companies and restaurants to debate. a doctor of robotic surgery at pittsburgh medical center and investigative reporter and author of "salt, sugar, fat." welcome to you. 35.7%, 16.9% of children are obese and at the way we're going, that weight will reach 44% by 2030. half of america, michael moss, will be dangerously over weight. why is this happening? how do we change the thinking? >> i heard people trying to blame people for this problem,

and i will grant you one moment. in the 1980s there was a moment overnight when it became acceptable to eat anything, anywhere, any time and you saw people eating and drinking and bringing food into business meetings. you wouldn't be surprised if i brought something here and ate it. you can't underestimate the cunning and skill on that -- on the part of the processed food industry not to just make products we like but to get us to want more and more. >> make them addictive that has stuff that makes you want more. >> there is no word more than the a word. they talk about cravebility, snackbility, my favorite is more ishness. these are scientists marketing people, talking about what drives them day in and out, which is to make their products as utterly attractive and

irresistible as possible. >> the problem, they come to you because they end up piling on the pounds and feel terrible about themselves and enter the dock tomorrtor who repair the d. you would be out of work. >> right. >> why are you seeing so much business? >> from the stories, i hear, we're addicted to sugar. we're under a sugar spell, our whole country is. with the exception of the few people you had in the room, everybody struggles with weight and they struggle with it and the daily battle of can i eat this? how much time in the gym? can i get past it? what's it going to do to me? the reality is if we don't stop the consumption of sugar at the rate we're going, we're going to be fat and sick and the procession to my operating room will not stop. >> is it just sugar? is it salt? too much salt can kill you, the next day not enough salt will kill you and you read about all

these things. nobody has a clear idea what they should do in terms of a diet that will definitely make an impact. >> look at your favorite, cheese. we're eating on average 33 pounds of cheese every year and we got to that point because the processed food industry teamed up, believe it or not, with the government to turn cheese into an additive, added to foot to increase the allure and in someways cheese is more powerful than sugar. if you can't see the fat, the natural breaks you have to curve over eating get taken off. it's -- and there is nothing inherently wrong with sugar, salt and fat but the amounts and the mindlessness that we have taken to eating that can play right into the hands of the industry. >> joe, i've talked to -- interviewed chris christie several times, he's honest about his weight problems and brilliant but he has this big frame, and he has struggled very, very hard over the years. he eventually had a gas strike

lap band thing which appears to be having some effect. you have seen those and treated people with those. people are pretty desperate to do something. >> our whole country is desperate. they are desperate -- it's important to understand this. there is a body mass index align, a line in the sand once you cross it you can't go back and stay back on your own. typically that is a body mass index of 40. those are people i operate on. just about two years ago, the fda approved lap band surgery with a people with a bmi of 30 and greater and one medical problem related to their weight. think about that. your comment half of our population being obese and needing surgery, that's what i'm looking at, operating on half of all americans. >> i was applauding michael boom burg saying let's deal with the supersized soda, making people

fat, rotting their teeth. people can't stop it and he lost. let me ask the audience, let's be honest. do you think supersized soda think they are good for you? >> no, no, no. >> let me ask you a separate question, are you happy for major bloomberg or president obama to tell you how to lead your life in drinking and eating. show of hands if you're happy about that? >> right. this is fascinating. okay. so all of you agree it's terrible to have supersized sodas but none of you want to be told that? this is classic american psychology, which i battle with as a brit on a daily basis but we're the same in brit, exactly the same. the crux of it, joe, because everything about you tells you this is wrong. >> certainly. >> but you don't want to be told you can't have it. how do we get through it? >> it's making you sick, whether

you have a weight problem or not. stop and think about that. you had so many lean, fit people on your show today. they look tremendous. if they eat a high sugar diet. they are sick. they may be curse in a worse way than a people that gains weight. when they get on a scale, they don't have a warning sign. when you get on a scale and you have a problem, you're warned and the bell has within rung. >> final question, how much is general mobility is a big issue, if you did half an hour of brisk walking a day, doctors tell me that coupled with a reasonable diet is more than enough exercise. >> it can't hurt but look, you're going to be on tour de france to unmask the calorie burning you will need to compensate for the over consumption -- >> so diet is the key. >> yeah, controlling the intake. >> and portions? >> yes. >> americans have huge portions. >> yes.

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now i'm taking three pound weights, three point weights. no woman should lift more than three points. we'll do more arm rotations with three point weights. >> working out with paltrow and new mom kim kardashian. tracy joins me now. how are you? >> i'm great, how are you. >> every time i see a celebrity having a baby, in three months they look like a stick and reshaped and retrained by tracy anderson. what do you do to these poor women? >> i support them. i support them. i tell them the truth and give

them the results they hope to get. as women, we're doing a lot in this word to support a lot of people and if we want to look like our best version of ourselves and feel comfortable, we deserve that. >> again net paltrow gave her a 22-year-old's stripper's butt. >> i have. we did that together. >> women say i want a stripper's butt. how do you get one? >> didn't we give them dvds. >> that's a surprise, actually. we have a little gift. i'll bring the surprise forward now that you mentioned it but tracy very kindly is giving everybody a program, a program for all of you. so if you-all would like to come back -- >> you're all -- >> all getting stripper's butts which is great. >> they are all getting stripper's butts, better than.

>> you got kim kardashian, i know you don't want to go into details but i'm sure it's similar for people who had a baby. what are key things women that had a baby need to do quickly to get rid of the baby fat? >> right now kim is doing what she should be doing which is bonding with her baby. she's a first time mom and enjoying that. i think one of the things people are alarmed with me is i'm like, no, you know, relax, get into the routine, enjoy the baby, you know, the body is what comes next. so if you are able to nurse, then that's a great thing because that's nature's way of getting everything back into position. but the thing about nursing is that we are designed to have more than one baby, so it will only bring things back so far but not all the way, and so you do have to face exercise eventually. right now kim is in baby heaven. >> you obviously deal with, i

guess, the more glamorous end of the american shape market in the sense of dealing with top celebrities, it's their business to be in great shape. what do you think is the formula for regular americans struggling a bit with their weight, what is the best formula in terms of how many times should you work out a week? kind of workout should you be doing and what kind of diet should you combine it with for reasonable results, lose maybe eight, nine pounds, whatever it may be? >> that's a really great question. the formula is key and ratio is key and enjoying life is key. we're emotionally programmed to love food and certain foods by the time we're 7 years old. food is a big part of who we are. so many people now are losing all of the spark behind their eyes because everybody is running around starving and cranky and cutting out food groups and all kinds of things. we're meant to move.

we're meant to connect to our bodies. exercise is vital to our health. and the idea of exercising three days a week is not enough. it's something that you need to do six days a week, five to six days a week because you need to connect with your body daily. you are how you move. this notion of exercise creating even further i'm balance in our bodies by overusing muscles is also not the answer. it doesn't lend to the body we desire and it also causes injury and all different kinds of things in many circumstances and a lot of that pounding and in the same way, is hard to do quite frankly. >> well, tracy, you performed miracles on celebrities. if i ever have the time, i'll come and be beasted by you and get myself the 22-year-old stripper's butt, which would be something. >> oh my goodness. i'm going to take you up on

that. i'm not kidding. >> you can consider me to be your ultimate challenge. >> i am launching a men's program. >> i can be your flank. why not? i think the body is too perfect to work with. i would quite understand that. >> well your brain is quite perfect, so we'll -- >> thank you, tracy. >> we'll give you the body to match it. >> thank you. i knew i liked her. for more information, check out tracy anderson method.com and all the audience gets met moore fa sis by tracy. the latest and graeatest workouts, what is behind the latest fitness crazes and do they work? i have to -- i've learned how to handle certain issues and not to run to that for comfort. people don't have to think about

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painful? creators of three of them. su berries boot camp and sean t, creator of insanity or the trilogy torturers. [ laughter ] >> berry, let me start with you. i've seen the results of your work because my producer that worked on this show has been beasted -- by quite a chubby lad into a lean machine with berry's boot camp. it works. >> absolutely. results are one of the main reasons people keep coming back. >> what is it about berry's boot camp that is different than others? >> good question. it's -- you know, it's running and weights. it's very basic training, and it's putting in a group atmosphere to push and be pushed. >> can you get propertyerly fit by just doing weights or just doing running? is the best combination both? >> both.

the combination is really the winning combo there. >> let me turn to you, the "fly wheel" is known, every women says, oh, the fly wheel. >> indoor cycling. it's been around for awhile but when fly wheel started we brought it to a new level. we added performance technology to the bikes, so finally we can measure how hard you're supposed to be working and results are amazing. weight loss stories incredible. >> how hard should you be working? there is a guy in england who is a big tv producer who recently had a stroke on a rowing machine because he was pushing himself so hard because he read about as i have, the value of high intensity workouts. >> right. >> there is a guy at 50 who ended up nearly killing himself because there is a risk. you have to be careful. high intensity, if you're 48 like me i don't want to die doing it. [ laughter ] >> right. >> other people may want me to,

but i don't want to. >> it's a concern. we're well aware of our customers. we know our customers. we have stadium seating so the instructor can see every >> insanity sums up the whole workout. because for most people i hate working out. i just hate the whole damn thing. apart from when i've had a shower afterwards that moment when you feel pretty good again. everything else is just complete torture. but you guys you love it because it's your business. how do you get people into the right discipline to keep going and not just give up after a few weeks which is what so many people do? >> i think that's the main thing. for me my specialty is being able to connect with people through their tv screens. because i at one point was also 50 pounds overweight, i know what it's like to go through the weight loss. so one of the things i'm going through this crazy workout is that as we're going through it

i'm thinking in my head what does this person need to be able to get through this second or this next minute, and they're also able to take a break. but you're right. people don't want to work out because they're afraid to work out. but i use my motivation actually to get them to push harder, go stronger. and insanity ace crazy word. >> we have one of your victims here. i use the word victims, josh. you actually did the shawn t. insanity thing and it worked, right? >> yes, it did. >> what were you before? what did you end up in terms of weight? >> i started at 293 and was down to 203. >> 293 you were. wow. [ applause ] >> we actually did the t 25 workout. my new workout. >> what is unique about this? >> what's unique about it, first of all i'd like to say that people are afraid to work out mainly because they think it's so hard.

i brought a mmodifier in. people say they don't have enough time. i said 25 minutes. you have a modifier. i'm motivating you every step of the way. as soon as you start to get one muscle group depleted i switch to another muscle group. >> what is modify? >> if i'm doing crazy high jumps there's a modifier doing lesser jumps. >> lesser shawn t kind of. >> but you work your way up to another shawn t. >> the new story is the new fad everyone is working so hard you don't have to do an hour-long workout. what is a minimum as a workout and how many times a week to get reasonably fit? >> that's a good question because i'm a believer in the hour workout. removing the cardio and bringing it down to just weights you could work out 35 to 40 minutes. to get the cardio and weights in -- >> how many days a week would you recommend? >> five days a week. >> tracy said six.

>> i would say five days a well. >> five days a week. >> i don't think this is realistic. it's all right for you guys because every waking moment of your day you work out. to me it's torture. i don't want to hear five or six. i want to hear three times a week preferably for about half an hour would be my dream. >> you have to think of it this way, too. for me i create programs to challenge people to keep themselves accountable. these guys might agree, too. everyone starts out at a different fitness level. the truth is enough never worked out before, if you work out one day for a month you're going to start to see some kind of result because you're putting your body through something that it's never been through. ideally we would like to get people to work out five times a week because then it becomes a lifestyle change and they can work up to that. >> it's expensive. to hire you guys you'd have to mortgage the yacht. >> for me i create at-home fitness program so it's a one-time payment and lifetime of

results. >> we get discounts with bulk classes. >> barry you want to get a free plug in while you're at it? [ laughter ] >> if i can also say it has to be fun. if it's not fun people aren't going to come back. at flywheel we have great music, dj created mash ups and it feels like a club. >> the gym they use in new york to not have terrible sort of like swedish euro trash music. we now have watch cnn. i now work out to wolf blitzer. and i can tell you, it gets the juices flowing [ laughter ] >> than you all very much indeed. coming up next i will take a ride on one of ruth's flywheels. i don't know why i'm doing this but i've been persuaded it will make me fitter. [ applause ] hey kevin...still eating chalk for heartburn? yeah... try new alka seltzer fruit chews. they work fast on heartburn and taste awesome. these are good. told ya! i'm feeling better already.

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[ applause ] >> right now my studio audience has been here the whole hour for "obesity in america, america's fat obsession." we are using ruth's famous flywheel. this is a bike, right? >> it's a bike. >> then what happens? >> i want you to look at that little screen and take your torque to 25. >> 25 on the torque. >> yes. so you take the blue dial and turn it to the right.

until it gets to 25. >> okay. and that's the -- >> that's our word for resistance. so you're at 25, right? >> yeah. >> all right. so now i want you to take your rpm number to 70. >> okay. >> let's see how that goes. >> easy. easy. 73. >> all right, piers, so i want you to stay at 70. but i want you to now take your torque up to 28. >> okay. 28. >> stay at 70. >> okay. >> how's that going? >> oh, it's, you know, getting a little testy. >> should we try 30? >> why not? >> okay. >> so that's 30. and i'm now at 70. so is that a good balance? >> that's very good. >> how many seconds do i have to keep doing this for? >> about 30. [ laughter ] >> so i could see this is pretty grueling. >> right. >> luckily i don't have to keep doing this. but it's been a fascinating show. i want to thank everybody tonight for joining me. thank you all my guests and this great studio audience. and have a happy and healthy evening.

good night. good night. [ cheers and applause ] -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening, everyone. welcome to "ac 360 later." a lot on the table tonight including new evidence that american teenagers are falling behind most of the rest of the world in reading, math and science. also new insight on how men and women's brains are different. and macy's is taken to task for allegedly racially profiling shoppers. we begin though tonight with break news in the new york train wreck that took the lives of four people and sent dozens more to the hospital. now, the engineer william rockefeller, may have been dozing off before his train flew off the tracks going 82 miles per hour on a curve made for 30. with us tonight nick robertson who just talked to